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Was the Devil ever in heaven?


    INTRODUCTION

 

We are studying from the KJV:

 

God bless you for choosing to study with us.

          Please get your Bible, so that we can study efficiently.

          Dear reader let us tell you first of all that we are faithful in praying for you, our readers.

          We are again thankful for another opportunity to be able to   

Do this small service of writing another lesson from the Bible for the glory of our Lord: in the effort of spreading the truth of his word, with the aim of building and glorifying his kingdom.

          We do realize that the subject of this lesson is a touchy one in many ways; one that we reckon has now spread   partly worldwide as ‘true’ doctrine.

          A doctrine that has for a few years brought much concern to us; so we decided to seek God for the answers, as we do with all other subjects concerning the truth of God’s word.

          We were admonished as always to do as is written in II Tim. 2:15 which say “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needed not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 

           For the last few months this subject has been brought up many times in our presence, by some wonderful people; some who are contending for it, some questioning it, and others request to know the truth of it.

          Just a few days ago some one questioned us concerning the subject.

          After we talked about it for a while they asked us to write on the subject.

          This is one of the more popular doctrines being taught in many religions of our day.

          In the teaching of this doctrine they say that the Devil was once a great Angel who led the choir in Heaven (where God’s throne is), but that he rose up against God and got the third of the Angels in Heaven to join him in this rebellion.

          It is also said they all were then expelled, (throne out) of Heaven by Michael the Archangel; and the said Angel who became the Devil, who is said to had been the great Angel that led the choir became the Devil; and the other angels who joined him in his rebellion against God then became his servants.

          Will this teaching hold up under the all-searching eye of God and his infallible word?

          We hope and pray that this lesson will help our readers to examine the holy word, understand it clearly and accept the Bibles truth.

          We wish for you dear reader to bear in mind throughout this entire lesson and always, that God’s holy word says that God does not sleep or slumber.

Read (Psa.121: 4,) he never did and never will.

          He is the Almighty: Omnipotent, (having unlimited power) Amen.

          Before going on with the lesson allow us to tell you a short but very important story.

*A few days ago someone said to me in a questioning way; “it’s not important if the Devil (the enemy of all human soul) was in Heaven or not.

          See, the Church where they attend teaches that the devil was in Heaven.

          Hearing a hidden question in their speech I said, “But it does matter.”

          “But it is not essential to our Christianity.” they replied.

          Being moved with compassion for that precious soul; I told them the danger of accepting any doctrine without seeking help from the Holy Spirit, and the word

(Bible) in effort to know whether the doctrine they are being taught is true or false.

          You see dear one by sitting back and not seeking help from these two ONLY reliable sources on earth, but trusting only in what the pastor, preacher, or teacher says is like having a friend who you trust and allergies that you cant.

          Example: your friend offers you something to eat or drink; and you never seek to know if the ingredients within the food or drink contains any of the things in which you are allergic to.

          Often you are made to feel a little ill after eating, but never the less you never question what you are eating from your friend because that person is your friend.

          One day you eat and by so doing you are sick beyond recovery and could die, but you could have avoided all this by inquiring from your friend of the contents of the food or drink.”

          False doctrine likewise comes like the poison in the food or drink little by little, but one day your soul through accepting it could be lost forever.

          Yes, false doctrine/s may all start with the little things you think is not essential to your Christianity; but if you continue to accept those ‘little’ things you think are not important to your Christianity.

          One day you will find out that you have accepted too much of those little things which you thought of as unimportant to your Christianity; for far too long and then find that you are lost for eternity.

          Dear reader, if it were not for the possibility of involving me in condemnation by remaining silent; I would refrain from writing on this subject; but since every individual is held responsible before God for the degree of light they has received, therefore I am duty bound to perform this cheerless task of raising my voice against the soul-destroying false doctrines.

          “Yes, those that teaches, or preaches false doctrine is fallen angels or workers of darkness.

          “Pro. 14: 12; 16: 25; says, “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”

          Can one that fall rise again? Oh, thank God for grace, his unmerited favor.

          One may believe and teach something false, which they were taught as a child or young Christian; and stand in the clear before God. But if they are shown their error, sees their error, and still hold onto their ways of error that error then becomes a sin.

          Remember, God said, “My Spirit shall not always strive with man. (Human) Gen. 6: 3.

 When a person is truly saved they will study the word to know the truth; and if they see that they have been in any error, they will; from their heart say Amen to God’s word. 

          Again II Timothy 2: 15 says: “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth (need) not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

The word is not only for the leaders of the Church to study, but it is free for all (whosoever will.)

The words in the flowering scriptures, speaks clearly to God’s people, who finds themselves in any type of bondage in religion - and I do believe all these words are also for all those who truly desire to serve God.

  II Cor. 6: 17; “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate,” saith the Lord, “and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.”

This unclean thing spoken of here is not meat (Good or bad food for the physical body) but false doctrines (Good or bad food for the soul)

The word in Rev. 3: 11; says, “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hath (have) that no man take thy (your) crown.” (Victory and triumph)

Some may use Rev. 3: 11; to say that God is telling us to stay where we are; as in where we are worshiping or in the present condition.”

That could be so applied if we are in true worship or in condition pleasing to God, but the only thing God really wants us to hold on to is: full and free salvation; not anything that keeps us in bondage.”**

By the end of our conversation the person desired to have Bible study.

Now that’s the kind of person God can work with.

One that truly seeking God, thank God for honest hearts,

Seek to know the truth my friend for it will make you free, see John 8: 32.

Now let us go into this lesson.

First, let us pause here and ask God to bless you as you study this lesson.

 

WAS THE DEVIL EVER IN HEAVEN?

 The first record we have of the Devil is found in Gen. 3: 1-6; which makes it clear that the Devil was in the Garden of Eden.

  Then we read in Job 1: 6, 7; that he was present when the sons of God presented themselves before God.

Notice where Satan said he was in v7 …Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, “From going to and fro in the earth.”

Listed below in bold are a few scriptures that are being used as doctrine, by those who teach that the Devil was in Heaven (God’s abode) as part of their doctrine; by these scriptures they try to prove the time in which they say the Devil was thrown out of Heaven.

Isaiah 14: 12; Luke 10: 18; Revelation 12: 9; Jude 6; and Peter 2: 4.

Later in this lesson we will study on these scriptures listed above in bold.

Please don’t stop the study of this lesson; due to the underlined statement we will now make, but please prove from the scriptures the proof for your self.

We do believe that God created the Devil. Because scripture supports it, although not in principal from, it is clear that the Devil was created before man. 

“God created the Devil?” you may ask.

Yes, he did. John 1: 3 says,

All things were made by him (God) and without him was not any thing made that was made.

          Isa. 45: 7 says, “I form the light, and created darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things”

          Col. 1: 16, For by him (God) all things were created, that are in Heaven and that are in the earth, visible and in visible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and for him.

          These statements should give us all a good idea that God created the Devil; for they are brought forth in principal clear enough for any honest heart to understand; for we all know that the Devil is the mastermind of and in all evil; therefore God created him.

          Why then did God create him? You may ask, well that is another study of its own.

          The word says in John 8: 44….”He (the Devil) was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

          Consider with me then how would God Almighty a Holy all- mighty God sat back and let evil defiled and destroyed Heaven his abode?

          If one can believe that, what they believe is; that the evil God made got out of hand; in other words God could not control it.

          This was the first question I asked a few years ago when being first approached with this doctrine; and again I ask this said question to all that believe that the Devil was once a Holy Angel in Heaven. (God’s abode)

          Go up four paragraphs and read John 8: 44 again and note; God said, that the Devil was a murderer and a liar from the beginning

          Yes, dear reader God did not create him a pure, Holy Angel and he decided to turn bad.

          God’s Angels have not that character, they were not created as we are (creatures of choice) in other words they were not made having a choice to stay holy or not to.

          They are a race of spiritual beings.

          They are of a nature exalted far above that of man, although infinitely removed from that of God.

Their office is, to do God’s service in Heaven and by his appointment succor (or help) and defend man (human) the greatest of God’s creation on this earth.    Angels are termed “Spirits,” see Heb. 1: 14.

          Note what Heb. 2: 14-16 says, “For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he (Jesus) also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the Devil.”

           Verse 15 “And delivered them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”

Verse 16, “For verily he (Jesus) took not on him the nature of Angels; (Spiritual beings) but he took on him the seed of Abraham, (Humanity)

Please contemplate these questions one to nine.

1.       if Angels could sin, have

you ever read of a plan of salvation for Angels?

2.       Have you ever read where Angels will be brought into Judgment?

3.     If sin, which is a direct result of disobedience produced by a right of choice, is not confined to immortal spirits encased in mortal flesh; then do we still not face the danger of sin in Heaven?

4.    Was not Christ a sacrifice for mortal (Human beings) and none other?

5. since the Bible is silent concerning any plan of Salvation for Angels, is it evident they cannot repent by choice; and if this were true, how then could they have chosen to sin in the first place?

6.    If the Devil was once an Angel in Heaven, and was thrown out because of sin; who or what was it that tempted him to sin?

7.  Where did the Devil’s tempter come from?

8.     How did the Devil’s tempter get into Heaven?

9.     Where is he, she or it now: and is that being still in Heaven?

We cannot find any scripture from the word of God that answers the above nine questions can you?

  I would like to know if any who preach, or teach this as part of their doctrine; can answer these direct from the word of God.

Note: the following scriptures, which teach the exact opposite of the possibility of sin ever being in Heaven.

Psa. 119: 89; Forever, O Lord, thy word is settled in Heaven.

God’s word is Holy isn’t it? Yes, for he is a Holy God. Amen.

Read Pro. 30: 5, (Pure) Heb. 6: 5, (Good) 1 Pet. 1: 23, (Livith and abideth forever,) Psa. 33: 4, (Right)

Heaven is a Holy place Psa. 20: 6, Holy (Means pure or free from sin).

I hope that we can agree that God is Holy, look in Lev. 11: 44, and 1 Pet. 1: 16 Holy: (free from sin) and that Heaven is God’s abode yes, where his throne is.  See Matt. 5: 34; 23: 22.

Heaven is a Holy place filled with glory and with grace.

Not only is it a holy place, it always was Holy; and it will be Holy forever. Amen.

Now let us look into the scriptures that were before mentioned in bold; they are on page 4, these are preached and taught in trying to prove that the Devil was in God’s Heaven.

First let us read Isa. 14: 12 Note: the book of Isaiah was written or took place in the year 735 BC (Before Christ coming to this earth in the flesh)

This alleged throwing out or casting out of the Devil from Heaven (Where God’s throne is) “Did it take place then?”

It could not have happened at that time; for we all who read or rather study the Bible well know that the Devil long before then had his works here in this very world (Earth) in action,

Let us not just look at verse 12 of Isaiah 14; but let us read from v1 in effort to keep this subject in context.

Now verse 1 and 2; tells us of God’s merciful restoration of Israel (Literal Israel) from their captivity by Babylon.

Verse 3 tells us of Israel’s triumph in the fall of Babylon.

Verse 4 says: (a) Thou shalt (shall) take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, (b) and say, “How hath the oppressor ceased!  The golden city ceased!

Let’s look at the meaning of some of the words in this verse thou (you,) and shalt (shall) and proverb (a short popular saying, usually of unknown and ancient origin that expresses effectively some commonplace truth or useful thought.)  (Or in other words a way in which stories was told; usually true stories, mostly by the people of old.) 

(a) You shall use this story in opposition, or in defense from what or whosoever the proverb is told of.

(b) This is what you must say, by what means have the one who placed heavy burdens upon us; along with his golden city, been brought to an end.

In this case the proverb was directed to the king of Babylon; and not direct to Satan himself, although his deeds, or actions are of course the root of his evil; by way of king Nebuchadnezzer.

Our study of Bible history makes it clear that this king of Babylon that is being referred to was Neb-u-chad-nezzer; who was the greatest king who ruled the entire known world at that time. (See Dan. 4:1)

The Babylon mentioned in Isa. 14; is an ancient city that is located on the east bank of the Euphrates River.

Its site is about 20 miles from Baghdad.

Read all of chapter 14 of Isaiah; note v4 to the end and you will see the proverb in –which God gave to Isaiah, the prophet against this king Neb-u-chad-nezzar the king of Babylon.

Verse 12, (a) how art thou fallen from heaven, (b) O (c) Lucifer, (d) son of the morning!  (e) How art thou cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations? 

(a) Can you explain by what means you have been abased from your pomp and pride (b) yell, howl, or shriek, (c) Light-barer (d) bright star (e) Can you explain by what means you have been abased from your exalted position; you that made the nations weak.  (Nations are people not angel,)

In this passage it is a symbolical representation of the king of Babylon in his splendor, and power.

Verse 13 (a) “For thou hast said in thine (your) heart, I will ascend (Go up) into heaven, (b) I will exalt my throne above the stars (ministers and messengers) of God: (c) I will sit also upon the mount of the Congregation, in the sides of the north.

(a) You have secretly planned that you will go up into God’s abode.  (b) I will be the one in high rank, honor, and power over the regenerated ones of Israelites.  (c) I will be in control over the assembly of the people that live north of my empires. (Babylon)

Verse 14 (a) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; (b) I will be like the most high.

(a) I will go up above those that are in glory.  (Divine glory or pleasing God,)  (b) I will be like God Almighty.)

The following verses 15 to 27 tell of the sentence God lay down on king Nebuchadnezzer.

Read carefully Isa. 14:16. “They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, is this MAN (not spirit) that made the EARTH (not heaven) to tremble; that did shake the kingdoms.” Note: God said, the kingdoms he did not my kingdom. Amen.

Read the 4th chapter of Daniel, and see that God kept his promise to Nebuchadnezzer.

Turn with us to Luke 13: 31 to 32, you will see there, a similar style of speech being used as we see here in Isa. 14:4-32.

In Luke 13: 31 to 32 Jesus was not calling Herod a Fox.  He was referring to Herod’s cunning crafty character of ways.

Likewise in Isa. 14:12, God was through the prophet Isaiah, not speaking concerning the devil Beelzebub himself, but Nebucadnezzar who filled with evil, wicked and devious ways.

Dealing a little more on angels committing sin, Can they?

Here, I guess, some may quote from Jude 6 and II Peter 2:4, and say that, these scriptures are proof that Angels were cast out of Heaven because they had sinned, by rising up against God.

But let us give these scriptures also a close examination; let’s look in Jude 6, let us once again not single out one verse of scripture, but keep them in context by starting at the beginning of the chapter.

In Jude 6 this faithful exhortation, is from a sanctified and called brother, the said Jude who was the writer of the book of Jude.

Verse 4 says: (a)”For there are certain men crept in unawares, (b) before of old ordained to this condemnation, (c) ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, (d) and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

(a) These CERTAIN:  definite or particular, specified men who were not named, had got into the church, (congregations) under specious pretenses and, when in, they began to sow their bad seed.

(b) Such as were long ago.  “Proscribed” Denounce or condemn, or were put out of the congregation. (Etc,)

A person who would through sin and folly become the proper subject of this condemnation. 

(c) Men making the grace of God a covering for crimes “intimating” (Suggest) that man might sin safely who believe the gospel, because in the gospel grace abounds. 

(d) This section of scripture is self-explanatory. (Clearly spoken,)

In v5 Brother Jude reminds us of how God took the people out of Egypt and afterward destroyed them that did not believe or did not live right (the wicked.)

The Angels mentioned in Jude 6, are not the celestial beings, (Those pertaining to the spirit world or Heaven.)

But of the terrestrial beings (An inhabitant of the earth, human being, ministers or messengers.) see Revelation chapter 22:8-9; 19:10; also in chapter 2: and 3: when addressing the seven churches. (Congregations)

Jude 6, (a) and the angels which kept not their first estate, (b) he hath reserved in everlasting chains (c) under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

(a) A period or condition of life: to attain to man’s estate.

          (b) God has all fallen angels or workers of darkness bond under the divine power of justice; bond over to the judgment of the great day.

          (c) Though they were once ministers or messengers of light; (the true gospel) so horrible in the dark are they that they continue to fight against God, as if there is still some hope for them.

          Now lets look into II Peter 2: 4, and again begin at v1 to keep the scripture in context. 

          II Peter v1 to v10, Peter foretold (Told before it happened) of the appearance of false teachers and of the impiety (lack if reverence for God, or sacred things) of their followers, and the judgment that overtook them.

          Again, the angels that are mentioned in Jude 6 are the ministers, messengers, or leaders of congregations (churches) terrestrial angels.

          Luke 10:18, in this verse we read that seventy of Jesus disciples after returning from the gospel mission that Jesus had sent them on; said to him with joy “Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through they name.”

          Luke 10 verse 18 Jesus answered them saying; (a) “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.  (a) What Jesus was saying, was; my heart and eye went along with you; I saw the success you had and I saw how quick Satan fell from the hearts of people under the preaching of the gospel.

          Jesus was comparing Satan’s sudden fall or his defeat by the gospel, as to that of lightening falling to the earth.

          It is clear to the honest searching heart that Jesus was not saying that Satan feel from Heaven (Where God’s throne is)

          To those who believe that the devil was in Heaven and that he was thrown out at this time.

          Again, we must say that could not be so for he had long tempted Adam and Even to eat the forbidden fruit and placed murder in the heart of Cain along with countless other devices of sin that he had long concocted in his strategy of sin.

          Now let us deal with Rev. 12: 9; again keeping scripture in context.

          Here some would tell us is where or when Satan was cast forth from Heaven.

          But note: the book of Revelation was written after the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. (Seventy years after Christ Jesus had gone back to Heaven.)

          This is impossible; for as we all well know by now that Satan was a jack of his trades long before 70 years after Jesus was born.

          If one takes the 9th verse of Rev. 12 as literal, then they would have to do likewise to v1.

          Let’s look then in v1. (a) “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven a woman clothed with the sun (b) and the moon under her feet (c) and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

          My dear friend, here Jesus is using (a) a woman as a symbol to represent the Church of God (his Church.) she is covered, with the imputed righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ.  He is the Sun of righteousness. Amen.

          (b) This is symbolizing, she (the Church) having the world under here feet, or she having victory over a worldly or sinful life.

          Note: She stands upon it, but lives above it. Amen.

          (c) The doctrine of the gospel preached by the twelve apostles, which is a crown of glory to all true believers.

          First, we see that woman clothed with the sun, how could this be meant in a literal way? 

          The literal sun is the star that is the central body of the solar system; around which the planets revolve and from which they receive light and heat.

          The sun is so hot that no man or anything made by man can get much closer to it than it is to earth without being consumed.

          Its diameter is about 864,000 miles and it’s mass about 330,000 times that of the earth.

          It is 93 million miles from earth, and the temperature here is; let’s round it off to say 80 degrees.

          Bear in mind, that if the sun would happen to get a few million miles closer to this earth we would be totally consumed by its heat.

          One can only imagine then what it would be like for one to be covered or clothed by the sun. 

          One would be totally consumed long before reaching it.

          But most important in the explanation of this scripture is as stated above the sun is 330,000 times bigger than this earth.

          “Therefore how could a literal woman be clothed with the sun?”

          Before going to Rev. 12: 9 Note:  the moon literally is the earth’s natural satellite, orbiting the earth having a diameter of 2,160 miles, and is 238,857 miles from earth. 

          The first part of v4 is the scripture that is being used to assert that Satan took the third of the angels with him when he was thrown out of heaven.

          Rev. 12: 4; (a)”And his tail drew the third part of the stars of Heaven and did cast them to the earth…”

          (a) With the remaining of his power (paganism, as prompted by heathen Rome) turned ministers and professors of the Christian religion out of their places and privileges and making them as weak and useless as he could.

          Paganism: (those who so call worshiping God, but not Christian worship.)

          This latter (or last) part (tail) would be many superiors, in number and outward strength to the other; but the strength of the church lies in having the Lord Jesus for the captain of their salvation.

Owing that v2, 3, 5, and 6 have no bearing to this particular lesson, we will move on to v7, 8, and 9.

          Verse 7 (a) and there was war in heaven: (b) Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought his angels,

          (a) The war of right against wrong in the church.  (The church is the kingdom of Heaven on earth, under the care of Heaven and in the same interest.)

          (b) Christ, the great Angel of the covenant and his faithful followers had spiritual warfare against Satan and all his instruments.

          Verse 8 (a) and prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in Heaven.

          (a) The Devil and his Angels fought against Christ and his Church but did not win the battle.

          The victory fell to Christ and his Church. Amen.

          Therefore the Devil and his Angels were not only conquered but also cast out.

          Where was the Devil cast from; or out of you may ask? 

He was cast out of, or from the strong hold he had in being able to overcome like he did before the grace of God came in full; (God’s unmerited favor) this grace came through the sacrifice Jesus made for us. Amen.   

The pagan idolatry, which was worshiping of Devils, was extirpated out of the empire in the time of Constantine.

          For one to truly believe, preach or teach that Satan was in Heaven and corrupted the third of Heaven’s Angels is to deny and degrade Almighty God’s sovereignty.

          Thank God our heavenly father and creator of the universe, all that is free and all that will be free can sing the triumphant song that was composed and used on this occasion.

          Rev.12: 10, 11; “And I heard a loud voice saying in Heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before God day and night.”

          Verse 11 “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; and they love not their lives unto the death.” Amen.

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